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The Challenge of Reasoned Debate: Addressing the Issue of Gun Violence in America

What happens in the mind when we "think it through"?

There are a lot of well-reasoned arguments out there in support of gun control. But are well-reasoned arguments enough? 

What We Now Know

Consider:

New York Times Op-Ed writer Nick Kristoff in a recent piece called Lessons From Guns and a Goose made some great points about gun violence that I wish every gun owner—and potential gun owner—in America would consider:

One study, reported in Southern Medical Journal in 2010, found that a gun is 12 times more likely to result in the death of a household member or guest than in the death of an intruder. Another study in 1993 found that gun ownership creates nearly a threefold risk of a homicide in the owner’s household…. David Hemenway, a public health specialist at Harvard, says that having a gun at home increases the risk of suicide in that household by two to four times.

Consider:

Daniel A. Simon, in a Letter to the Editor of the same paper, made some great points countering an argument one often hears from gun rights advocates that restricting gun ownership is a slippery slope:

"First, reasonable regulations do not devolve into slippery slopes. Just because the government can set a speed limit of 65 miles per hour doesn’t mean that it will then set it at 50, then 30, and pretty soon we won’t have cars. We regulate all sorts of things without falling into abysses.

Second, there is no explanation as to why any such slope doesn’t run the other way. If I can have a semiautomatic gun with 30 rounds, why can’t I have a fully automatic gun with 100 rounds or more? A stockpile of grenades? Shoulder-launched missiles? A radioactive 'dirty bomb'?"

Consider:

I thought President Obama—who has at times fared better and at times worse in debates—made some very good points recently about the need to balance our various constitutional rights when he noted that we have:

“The right to worship freely and safely; that right was denied to Sikhs in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. The right to assemble peaceably; that right was denied shoppers in Clackamas, Oregon, and moviegoers in Aurora, Colorado. That most fundamental set of rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, fundamental rights that were denied to college students at Virginia Tech and high school students at Columbine and elementary school students in Newtown; and kids on street corners in Chicago on too frequent a basis to tolerate.”

Two weeks ago I highlighted the new book “Reducing Gun Violence in America," a collection of very smart, well-researched essays from some of the world’s best and brightest writers on the subject on the benefits society would gain from gun control.

But are any of these arguments convincing? Are gun owners taking into account what we now know to be empirically true: that having a gun in the house is 12 times more likely to result in the death of a household member or guest than in the death of an intruder? Is this having any effect on the confidence gun owners have in owning a gun?

What We Know About How We Know

“Confidence is a feeling,” writes Daniel Kahneman, emeritus professor of psychology and of public affairs at Princeton University and a winner of the 2002 Nobel Prize in Economics, “one determined mostly by the coherence of the story and by the ease with which it comes to mind, even when the evidence for the story is sparse and unreliable…When a compelling impression of a particular event clashes with general knowledge, the impression commonly prevails... The confidence you will experience in your future judgments will not be diminished by what you just read, even if you believe every word.”

In his book Thinking Fast and Slow Kahneman writes about what he calls the “illusion of validity”—that our confidence in our judgments is overwhelmingly unrelated to the truth. Indeed, when confronted with evidence which contradicts our views rather than causing us to reevaluate our beliefs the result is that we actually harden our views.

The reason this moment—post Newtown massacre—holds the possibility of change is not because there’s new evidence to support the positives of gun control, but because folks are feeling differently about guns. Perhaps not enough folks to make enough of a difference nationwide—that remains to be seen. But something is shifting, and for the good.

Be Involved

Please contact the White House to express your support for new gun control measures. Here’s the link:  

Please sign the petitions at Demand A Plan, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, One Million Moms for Gun Control, We The People and Americans for Responsible Solutions.

Please read my previous posts on gun control: Repairing the World: The Truth About Ending Gun Violence Now (December 20);  There is No God: Continuing Thoughts on Gun Control (December 27); Sabbath to Stop Gun Violence (January 3);  Christina’s Letter: More Thoughts on Gun Violence (January 10); Bad News/Good News (January 24); and Interfaith Call-In Event to Prevent Gun Violence (February 1)  

Your comments are welcome.

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W Obermeyer May 21, 2013 at 01:13 pm
It would be funny were it not so sad. I recall seeing and hearing quite a lot of mud being slungRead More recently, in an unseemly manner, but by whom I wonder?
McKey Rivers May 21, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Mike, please try to keep it together later and don't be acting out again. The last thing theRead More community needs is another schools related criminal harassment case.
Jay Borrel May 21, 2013 at 12:42 pm
WRONG!
McKey Rivers May 21, 2013 at 12:56 pm
OMG!!! Is someone referring to Stacy Agona's experience on the School Board as a basis in decidingRead More how to vote today? Oh wait, that's her husband. One of my favorite Stacy moments on the school board was when, after having been a trustee for a year, a reference was made during a public meeting to the "reserve fund" and she blurted out, "What's that?"
Jay Borrel May 21, 2013 at 12:42 pm
There is nothing respectful about Mr. Valenti. While telling us that everyone else uses ugly andRead More negative campaigning, he forces his message down our throats with his constant badgering and pushing. And, while I do disagree with Mr. Agona at least he is a voice less heard, however a home buyer will definitely think twice when seeing that our schools are not ranked at the top, but our spending is. A home buyer would definitely think twice when seeing that our board went against the levy and asked for more. A home buyer will think twice when seeing that our board underhandedly appointed a superintendent with out any notice to the community of a vacancy. These are trustees, but how can we trust them. With regards to understanding the budget or not, a home buyer only sees the surface and there will be NO TRUST in this community if we do the wrong thing.
Rod Agona May 21, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Empty Nesters and everyone else: I respectfully disagree with Mr. Borrel on his post. There areRead More many reasons behind why the budget proposal by the BOE and the administrators exceeds the tax cap guideline. I ask that you check my wife’s posting in the Patch for more insight but I will not repeat here. From personal experience, my perspective is that young parents looking to buy a home will research many things including the community support for the schools. It is fairly common to look into school board budget voting as an impartial indicator of the community's support. Imagine you are deciding between towns X and Y and then you hear that town X voted down the budget. You won’t research any further if this is important to you. You will move on to another place where there is more support. Please consider this into your decision when voting today. A vote for the budget approval will do a great service to the protection of our real estate values, not to mention preserve educational excellence in the eyes of the experts we are currently paying to make those recommendations. I believe most Briarcliff residents will agree with me as evidenced by the fact that there has not been a budget rejection by the public in decades. I would also like to personally congratulate the current Briarcliff BOE trustees for being the only school district in Westchester County to propose a lower budget than they did the prior year. Vote YES to the proposed Briarcliff budget. Vote JON SATRAN and SAL MAGLIETTA for BOE trustees.
Mike Valenti May 21, 2013 at 03:36 pm
It is Election Day in Briarcliff. There are TWO school board seats up for grabs and a budget to beRead More voted on. Please join me in voting for JON SATRAN and SAL MAGLIETTA to continue their terms as school board trustees. Please also join me in voting YES on the proposed school budget. Your vote for JON and SAL is a vote FOR continued TRANSPARENCY, RESPECT, COMMUNITY VOICE, COLLABORATION, PARTNERSHIP, CIVILITY, FISCAL PRUDENCE and MUCH MORE. Moreover, your vote for JON and SAL is a vote AGAINST the type of UGLY, NEGATIVE, MUDSLINGING campaigning you are witnessing (especially in these final, desperate hours) from the Linder/Wasserman camp. If we are ever to see this type of campaigning cease we must SPEAK LOUD AND CLEAR and SEND A MESSAGE that it does NOT appeal to us here in Briarcliff and we will NOT support the candidates forwarded or supported by those who conduct themselves in this unseemly manner. Please VOTE YES for JON and SAL. Please VOTE NO for SLEAZY SMALL-TOWN POLITICS. Respectfully, Mike Valenti
Jay Borrel May 21, 2013 at 01:04 pm
Wouldn't it be great if Mike Valenti moved out of Briarcliff?
Jay Borrel May 21, 2013 at 09:31 am
Hey Mike, the only thing worse than a tax hike and a secret appointment of a superintendent with outRead More looking at other candidates is your wasting our time with endless BS
Jay Borrel May 21, 2013 at 01:05 pm
Wouldn't it be great if Mike Valenti moved out of Briarcliff?
Gargamel May 21, 2013 at 07:26 am
Jay: more like Poooofff! Time to back to the North State Spa
Jay Borrel May 20, 2013 at 09:57 pm
Mr. Valenti your small mind is imploding
Jay Borrel May 21, 2013 at 08:25 pm
Wow Eric, how can I be hiding? I live here, you can look me up. I doesn't take much research orRead More rocket science. See you on the other side.
Kevin Zawacki (Editor) May 21, 2013 at 03:00 pm
Hi all -- lively discussion is fantastic and encouraged, but any personal and/or ad hominem attacksRead More will be deleted. Thanks for your cooperation.
Eric Nadler May 21, 2013 at 02:39 pm
As I write this I know that it is a mistake but I can't let it go. Mr. Rivers and Mr. Borrel pleaseRead More unmask yourselves. At least Ms. Agona and Mr Valenti (and myself) have the decency to make our views know publicly. By all means you have the right to voice your opinions but to do so under the guise of anonymity is what I would call cowardly. How can the voting public take your comments seriously if you don't have the gumption to stand behind them in public for the community to see. With that said - Mr Rivers, Mr Borrell take off your masks! Let's have a dialog face to face.
Jay Borrel May 21, 2013 at 01:06 pm
Wouldn't it be great if Mike Valenti moved out of Briarcliff?
W Obermeyer May 20, 2013 at 03:07 pm
I wonder why the voice of reason is suddenly so vocal? Reminds me of some earlier exchanges, if youRead More have read one you have read them all.
The Real Herman Sexton May 20, 2013 at 02:57 pm
oh wow, let's relive the attempted election of Mike Valenti several years ago. We went throughRead More this, proved I was a resident, etc. Anyway, does anyone know anyone in Briarcliff more annoying than Mike Valenti
Mike Valenti May 21, 2013 at 04:15 pm
It is Election Day in Briarcliff. There are TWO school board seats up for grabs and a budget to beRead More voted on. Please join me in voting for JON SATRAN and SAL MAGLIETTA to continue their terms as school board trustees. Please also join me in voting YES on the proposed school budget. Your vote for JON and SAL is a vote FOR continued TRANSPARENCY, RESPECT, COMMUNITY VOICE, COLLABORATION, PARTNERSHIP, CIVILITY, FISCAL PRUDENCE and MUCH MORE. Moreover, your vote for JON and SAL is a vote AGAINST the type of UGLY, NEGATIVE, MUDSLINGING campaigning you are witnessing (especially in these final, desperate hours) from the Linder/Wasserman camp. If we are ever to see this type of campaigning cease we must SPEAK LOUD AND CLEAR and SEND A MESSAGE that it does NOT appeal to us here in Briarcliff and we will NOT support the candidates forwarded or supported by those who conduct themselves in this unseemly manner. Please VOTE YES for JON and SAL. Please VOTE NO for SLEAZY SMALL-TOWN POLITICS. Respectfully, Mike Valenti
Gargamel May 21, 2013 at 07:36 am
the key to understanding a failed candidacy of Mike Valenti's is having to suffer through endlessRead More repetition of his failed logic. Really folks, the only one imploding here is Mike. For Sal and Jon: please tell us that you do not encourage him? I hope not because it has to hurt.
W Obermeyer May 20, 2013 at 03:13 pm
One can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. And byRead More repeating something ad nauseum it does not become true or a fact ...