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There is No God: Continuing Thoughts on Gun Control

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My friend, a Roman Catholic priest, surprised me.  

“In the Bible it says, There is no God! Go ahead, look it up!”

I did, and of course my friend Father Daly was right. Here’s the full quote from Psalms: “The fool has said in his heart ‘There is no God.’”

My intention here is not to suggest that atheists are fools. Atheists and others who choose no religious affiliation now make up twenty percent of the U.S. population. The Dalai Lama is an “atheist.” Some of my best friends are atheists. I’m not writing here about atheism. I’m writing about prefatory clauses.

As with Psalm 53:2, a prefatory clause opens the Second Amendment. I often see gun rights advocates quote the Second Amendment as “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” But the full quote is “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.”

In their dissent to the landmark 2008 decision District of Columbia v. Heller, four of the nine Supreme Court justices read that prefatory clause as meaning that the right to bear arms was a collective right, not an individual right. “The ‘right to bear arms,’” Justice John Paul Stevens wrote, “protects only a right to possess and use firearms in connection with service in a state-organized militia.” Justices Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer agreed and joined his dissent. But four justices joined Justice Antonin Scalia in declaring the right to bear arms an individual right. That’s how close it was (indeed, how many other landmark cases have been as close?). But absent legislative action, individual right is now settled law. 

What I would hope is that folks who were on both sides of that debate could now agree on the following…

Let’s keep guns out of schools. In the same majority decision quoted above Justice Scalia took pains to note that “the Second Amendment right is not unlimited…The Court’s opinion [the majority opinion that the right to bear arms is an individual right] should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions… laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools…”

As the American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association said in a joint statement last Thursday “Guns have no place in our schools. Period.” Armed law enforcement officers (there were two of them) got off a few shots but could not stop the 1999 Columbine massacre; nor could armed personnel stop the massacre at Virginia Tech. As Mother Jones Magazine has reported regarding the 62 mass-murders over 30 years they examined recently, most of the killers got their guns legally, and not one was stopped by an armed civilian. And let’s not forget Fort Hood, where there were 13 killed and 29 wounded… on an army base filled with armed soldiers.  

Would more guns have saved the firefighters who were ambushed and shot to death in Webster, New York this past Monday? Or the victims of the sniper attacks that paralyzed Washington, DC in 2002? In the words of PATCH blogger Robert Herbst “It’s the guns…!”

We should recognize NRA chief Wayne LaPierre's call for more guns for what it is: in the words of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, “a shameful evasion of the crisis facing our country… a paranoid, dystopian vision.” The New York Times  called it a “mendacious, delusional, almost deranged rant.” For those who have been following LaPierre’s career this should come as no surprise. Read "LaPierre's NRA was already so crazy back in 1995 that George H. W.  Bush resigned his membership." The full text of President Bush’s letter was published in the New York Times on May 11, 1995.

Let’s ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines. The Supreme Court - in the same majority decision quoted above - took pains to support the “historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.” There is no reason we cannot outlaw such weapons, and we should. A buy-back program would be needed to get these dangerous weapons out of folks’ hands. It’s been accomplished elsewhere, notably in Australia (domestic municipal buy-back programs include Los Angeles and San Diego) and we should push to do it here. And we need to ban the on-line sale of ammunition. This would be a good thing; because whatever you may have heard about decreasing gun deaths, according to the Violence Poverty Center using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, while gun deaths remained relatively flat from 2000 to 2008, the total number of people shot went up nearly 20 percent since 2001. “States with low gun ownership rates and strong gun laws,” they found, “have the lowest rates of gun death.” 

Let’s close the gun-show loophole. The loop-hole defeats any attempt to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. We need to push for longer purchase times, and to end “instant” purchase time.

Let’s come back together. Proposals put forth by the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre last week – one calling on the federal government to “create an active national database of the mentally ill,” another asking why “with all the money in the federal budget, we can't afford to put a police officer in every school?” - are so-called “big government” or “tax and spend” responses which would cost billions of dollars. While I deeply disagree with LaPierre on these specific proposals I wonder if there might not perhaps be a glimmer of hope here: Is it possible that a new conservative-liberal consensus on government taxing and spending for the public weal is aborning?

If so - while we’d need to be clear that autism is not a mental illness but a neurological development disorder; and while we’d be wrong to blame autism for the Sandy Hook massacre, and while armed guards in schools is a terrible idea - perhaps this newly dawning realization that indeed “it takes a village” will focus us on the need to fight rampant de-funding of programs for those with neurological and psychiatric disabilities, and children’s programs which are already in existence; and to support additional funding for new programs to aid the most vulnerable members of our society.

And as the NRA has now come out in favor of a national database to keep track of folks who have never committed a crime, perhaps they can be persuaded to drop their powerful efforts to thwart legislative attempts to create a much needed federal registry of gun transactions, also by people who have never committed a crime, for use in criminal investigations when gun crimes do occur. 

Is this possible? Well, there’s reason to believe that a shift in attitudes is underway. A just released poll indicates that a bare majority of Americans “now favor major restrictions on owning guns or an outright ban on gun ownership by ordinary citizens and more than six in ten favor a ban on semi-automatic assault rifles.” Indeed, the fact that a new grass-roots anti-gun violence movement called “Newtown United” has taken off in the town where the massacre took place – a traditionally strongly pro-gun area where “dozens of gun dealers, gun instructors, gun repair shops and shooting ranges do a brisk business,” and “regular people... have an arsenal in their basement"  - gives us hope that out of tragedy may come a new understanding.

Finally, let’s have a national discussion on the 2nd Amendment. Let me hasten to underscore that the few gun owners I know personally are all decent, law-abiding folks. Let’s not make matters worse by demonizing each other, whichever side of the issue we’re on. And I understand that suggesting a national discussion on the 2nd Amendment is more controversial than any of the above proposals. But following the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007 we saw the beginning of calls – from the Harvard Crimson, from Salon's Washington Bureau Chief Walter Shapiro, from Benjamin Wittes of the Brookings Institution and others - for repeal of the 2nd Amendment. And now, following the Sandy Hook massacre we have former Seattle policeman Norm Stamper, former Colorado lawmaker Bryan Jameson, Dr. Jeff Clawson, Professor Robert Klose, and the magazine The Economist again calling for repeal or consideration of repeal. We should educate ourselves about these arguments, pro and con. Maybe upon consideration legislative action to repeal the 2nd Amendment is something we will wish to support.

In the meantime…

Please join us at PCS on Saturday, January 5, 9:30 am for National End Gun Violence Sabbath. For more information go to www.ShalomPCS.com

Please sign the petitions at One Million Moms for Gun Control, Demand A Plan, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, and We The People.

Please purchase a “We Are Newtown” bumper sticker, proceeds to go toward a memorial to the victims.

Please read my previous post on gun control. 

Your comments are welcome.

Rabbi Mark Sameth is the spiritual leader of Joyful Judaism: Pleasantville Community Synagogue an inclusive, progressive synagogue – with members from twenty towns, villages and cities all across Westchester and “A Hebrew School Your Kids Can Love.” Read The New York Times article. Follow Rabbi Mark on Twitter . Weekly meditation at the synagogue every Saturday morning at 9 am is open to the public; everyone – without exception - is welcome and warmly invited. OUR MEMBERSHIP DRIVE IS ON. See “Top Ten Reasons to Join PCS” - as well as service times and events - at www.ShalomPCS.com.

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Mike December 28, 2012 at 03:46 pm
The gun "genie" is out of the bottle.....you can legislate all you want, but you will not reduce the number of guns in America for a very long time, if ever. We have had acwar on drugs for decades in this country but do we see less drug use? The longer term solutions are found in the much harder socio-economic issues. When you study the FBI crime stats, you see a disproportionate gun violence rate in minority communities. This is NOT because minorities are inherently bad, but because they are poor, uneducated, and usually in a one parent (mother) household. Our politicians only get concerned about guns when these atrocious mass shooting occur (usually in "nice" neighborhoods) but you never here about the routine murders that total some 12,000 each year. If you want to solve gun violence, then work on improving the economy and strengthening the family.
BG7 December 28, 2012 at 04:18 pm
Scalia recognizes that legislation that bans certain weapons may not violate the 2nd amendment, tho' he has not really commented upon it yet except abstractly via the personal "stinger missile" interview. The 2nd Amendment right regards no infringement on owning and keeping arms. What those arms are defined as, however, (the owning and keeping of which arms cannot be infringed), could be legislated without being unconstitutional. The only way to decide this is for that specific question to go to the Ct. A ban on hand grenades would presumably be ok under Heller. And a ban on ammo clips hlding over X bullets could also be consitutional.
Keith Best December 28, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Adama Lanza broke myriad gun laws as Connecticut has some of the strongest gun laws in the country. More laws is NOT the answer. Improvements in dealing with the mentally ill is.
Blaming the guns is like blaming the fork and spoon for making Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell fat. Think about that.
Len Martello December 29, 2012 at 02:19 am
The TV Industry Speaks Out on Sensible Gun Regulation:
http://www.upworthy.com/999-of-everyone-on-television-is-demanding-stricter-gun-regulation?c=upw1 Demand a plan...call or write your state and federal legislators. Enough.
Percy Marvelous December 29, 2012 at 02:43 am
The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto and those with partisan groups resisted the Nazis. There were Jews with the Allied armies and they carried guns. Jews did not resist in many cases because no one believed a civilized modern nation would commit mass murder. Harder to resist when you are disarmed and have guns pointed at you. Better to die on your feet resisting than die as a sheep!
MessHall December 29, 2012 at 03:42 am
The Media (incl TV Industry) can not be trusted. At this point -There are no more "sensible Gun Regulations" that could be made without setting up the Law abiding Citizen to worry about eventual Confiscation ..and it will happen. New York City (& LA) are perfect examples. Read this -- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2000/firearms-registration-new-york-city%60s.aspx?s=New+York+1967&st=&ps
Len Martello December 29, 2012 at 03:48 am
THIS is sensible, and doable.
December 27, 2012, NY Times A Tougher Assault Weapons Ban "New legislation proposed by Senator Dianne Feinstein in response to the Newtown, Conn., murders would provide a far more effective ban on military-style assault weapons than the loophole-riddled law that lapsed in 2004. The measure would not only outlaw the manufacture and sale of new semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns with large ammunition feeds, but also mandate federal registration and background checks on the owners of millions of rapid-fire weapons that were sold legally after the old ban expired. This is a crucial element since the nation has been inundated with such firearms, like the one used by the Connecticut shooter...Ms. Feinstein would exempt hundreds of simpler hunting weapons from the proposed ban. But she said the measure should mandate financing to make sure stronger gun controls can be enforced, and possibly even include a gun buyback provision. This is the kind of approach needed if the nation is ever to come to grips with gun violence..." This is part of a continuing series on the epidemic of gun violence and possible solutions. Other editorials are at nytimes.com/gunchallenge.
Teleman December 29, 2012 at 04:15 am
Funny, not long ago feinstein was talking about the concealed carry permit she aquired because she wanted to protect herself. Wonder if she'll get to keep it?
Teleman December 29, 2012 at 04:16 am
Just be up front and honest, you want to confiscate all of them- the only reason you would want to register all of the ones that are posessed by law abiding citizens is to confiscate them in the future.
MessHall December 29, 2012 at 04:32 am
Len , take a minute to follow the Link I posted above and read it , understand it ..this happened already and we will NOT let it happen again. I left California 11 years ago because of the new Gun Laws ...I understand It's easy for someone who doesn't own or has a fear of Firearms to demand new laws, it doesn't affect them...they'll lose nothing. But Millions of Collectors and Sportsmen/Hunters/Target Shooters should not be made to pay the price for your paranoia.
MessHall December 29, 2012 at 04:46 am
Teleman , Every Generation has people searching for a "Cause" they can "Champion" ...a way they can fix Society and create a better & safer World for all. ....fun to dream though.
So , we see these new & vocal Anti Gun activists all over the Web quoting and latching on to fools like feinstein and the Brady Bunch --and the Media just fans the flame with BS Polls ,convincing them that anyone who owns a Gun is a fool and we deserve to have our property taken away. To them , we have no rights . Whenever I deal with them, I try to include a link backing up what I'm saying ---for example ...they claim that less Guns will mean Less Crime. Harvard Univ did a study and proved that to be false ..and also proved that Confiscation does NOT WORK – “If you are surprised by [our] finding[s], so [are we]. [We] did not begin this research with any intent to “exonerate” handguns, but there it is—a negative finding, to be sure, but a negative finding is nevertheless a positive contribution. It directs us where not to aim public health resources.” http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
MessHall December 29, 2012 at 05:12 am
However , I will say this -- There is one new Law that I would like to see being put in place and enforced. NO Firearm should ever be allowed in any Household that has someone (regardless of age) being treated for Mental illness, medicated and under the care of a psychiatrist or recently released from an Hospital because of Violent actions or depression. It should be illegal for them to even hold a Firearm let alone go to a Range and be taught how to shoot. A Gun Safe would not even stop a determined madman. This could have prevented Adam Lanza from easily getting his hands on those Weapons. At this point , mental illness is what they should be looking at --not making us pay the price for HIS Crime.
Clemona December 29, 2012 at 03:13 pm
Pot, meet kettle.
Clemona December 29, 2012 at 03:22 pm
Lets extend this theory to other rights.
The founders could have never envisioned a 24/7 news cycle/internet. And many believe the media encourage others with their sensationalizing murderers. So it must be time to apply bans to the media. There. Done.
Dennis Richards December 30, 2012 at 07:23 am
Perfectly said Steve. God Bless America!!
SPK December 30, 2012 at 02:52 pm
Rabbi, re "And let’s not forget Fort Hood, where there were 13 killed and 29 wounded… on an army base filled with armed soldiers."
In fact army bases are not armed...on military bases only military police are armed. Had they been more armed, tragedy would have ended sooner We don't have a shortage of gun laws. We do have a huge illegal gun problem not fixed by making the illegal even more illegal, IMHO.
Ann Fanizzi December 30, 2012 at 02:55 pm
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that the right to bear arms is not unlimited, and noted that future limitations ‘will have to be decided in future cases’
The conservative jurist did not say which high-powered weapons he thought should be excluded from constitutional protection By Thomas M. Defrank / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Sunday, July 29, 2012, 2:13 PM
Jaques Strape December 30, 2012 at 03:10 pm
I prefer to wear a sweatshirt and jacket outside when it is cold, even though bare arms are protected....
brendan December 31, 2012 at 12:48 am
all the anti gun people are so fast to want to take away our RIGHT to own firearms, just because you do not value that right does not mean you have the right to take it away from people that do. What if we wanted to question or take away a right that you value such as your right to vote or free speech...... bring on the typical liberal responses
Alan D. December 31, 2012 at 04:20 pm
Thank you Rabbi for this well written and thought out commentary. I would add that the events at Sandy Hook Elementary also symbolize the death of America as we know it. A society that cannot ensure safety for its children is a society that has collapsed. I hope the people, the Congress and the President can correct this misguided cancer called the NRA and their ideas of proliferating weapons of death amongst the general population, but if we cannot, then Sandy Hook will become routine, darkness will cover our sun, and the United States of America will become history.
James Adnaraf December 31, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Boys and girls, once upon a time there was this evil NRA, and caused all sorts of terrible things. Then, many people saw tragedies occur, and decided to emotionally blame it almost totally on the NRA, and then the wonderful federal government passed gun controls, and everyone lived happily ever after.
That is quite a fairy tale. Gun control will have a marginally positive effect, and I support reasonable measures. But this simple minded NRA bashing is, in my view, not reflective of the true nature of evil. It was evil that did this, using guns, but evil is willing to go to any extreme to do its deeds. Gun control is maybe a 10% solution, but we spend 90% of our time on it. Suicide bombers will replace the gun toters, when there is substantial gun control. Go ahead, control guns, but get your head out of your backside, thinking this is a significant solution to the problem.
Issy December 31, 2012 at 11:45 pm
10% that is a start.
James Adnaraf December 31, 2012 at 11:52 pm
what is the other 90%?
Teleman December 31, 2012 at 11:57 pm
It's the typical liberal knee jerk reaction- they feel that by passing laws and taking away freedoms in the name of thinking they make things safer is ok- even if said laws are ineffective.Most of these people know NOTHING about firearms, but throw around the terms :"high capacity magazines" "clips" "assault weapons" "automatic weapons"- they have no clue. when you try to talk common sense and educate them, they just go irrational. It's about using those children to further they're agenda- they see a tragedy and want to exploit it. It's their way.
Teleman January 1, 2013 at 12:01 am
It's like reasoning with an obama supporter-when you bring up facts, they just start calling names and acting irrational- just like the biased media they will totally ignore anything negative or incorrect.
Aidan January 1, 2013 at 12:14 am
"A society that cannot ensure safety for its children is a society that has collapsed." The "collapse" has been underway for decades. Care to count the dead babies? And the NRA had nothing to do with it at all.
James Adnaraf January 1, 2013 at 12:16 am
Any analysis of your comments shows you are a demonizer, more than a dialoguer. You are part of the problem of the demonizing.
Teleman January 1, 2013 at 02:07 am
We just came off an election cycle where one opponent was demonized as waging a "war on women" because of his PRO-LIFE stance-then when 20 little babies are killed in a school we wonder? we blame guns?
Anthony Mele March 13, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Dear Rabbi:
Here is the wisdom from another Rabbi, with whom would beg to differ from your opinion: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Luke 22:36 KJV King James Version Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Here is a lesson in Jewish History in Nazi Germany explaining the reason for so many slaughtered Jews was NAZI GUN CONTROL, they were disarmed, resistance was crushed. An Inquiry into the General Lack of Violent Jewish Resistance to the Holocaust by Ian McCollum Access to Arms "Weapons were an essential element in all violent resistance to the Nazis ­ to prevail against the Germans, some sort of weaponry was required. The Germans, of course, forbade the Jews to possess weapons under threat of death ­ but even in the harshest of environments willing fighters were able to acquire weapons."
Anthony Mele March 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Dec. 7th 1941: General Yamamoto, Commander of the Japanese Imperial Army decided against a land invasion of the U.S. West Coast saying: "we will encounter a rifle behind every blade of grass."
The US has the largest armed civilian population on the planet and as such is a 4th tier of our National Defense posture. Here is an observation that reveals criminal gangs out gun law enforcement. Disarming the honest gun owner does not protect them but instead makes them vulnerable to these criminals. "We know that the laws are unenforceable among urban gang members. Gang members are among the best-armed civilians in the world. Gangs have more firepower than most local police departments. They do not use this firepower against what they would regard as the civilian population. They use the weapons against other gang members." Gary North WHY THE GUN CONTROL MOVEMENT IS DOOMED. Who are the Militia? When asked what the Militia was, George Mason, one of the Framers of the U.S. Constitution, said, "Who are the Militia? They consist now of the whole people, except for a few public officers." Yet we also see statutes like 10 USC 311, which defines it as "all able- bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 13 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States." Some state statutes define it as "able-bodied males" of different age ranges, such as 16 through 59.
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Omar Sharif June 18, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. I do not recall this outcry for other legal fees theRead More village actually incurred in previous years, and in this case the matter is still sub judice, so a calm attitude is best advised. If you are an outgoing official of the PTA, then one should mention that and not purport to speak on behalf of the Association, of which I am also a member. Rather then write as a concerned spouse.
David Venditti June 18, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Will the sour grapes never end? Ms. Fischer appropriately called for a truce and some civility,Read More which was in order. Truth be told, anyone who believes that insppropriate actions have taken place has the right, and a moral obligation, to, in goid faith, bring those claims forward. In fact, that is even more true for someone seeking to hold a fiducuary position, or slready is in one. The days of hiding our heads in the sand are over. The excuse that it will cost mobey to defend is not a good one. if you've lived here long enough, you know that we went through those times and they were not pretty. The State found against us on major financial issues back then, so no one can reasonably say that one should sit by and say nothing if they think there is something amiss. Speaking up when it is easier to "go with the flow" takes courage and, apparently, more people saw it Mr. Wassetman's way than not. Now, let's get back to the task of running an efficient District that serves students and taxpayers alike. That's what this election dictated, and the ease at which the District found a tax cap compliant budget the second time around is a valuable lesson. If it had been done the first time, the election mat have come out differently. It's accountability that people look for. It is time to end the bickering and move forward.
David Venditti June 18, 2013 at 11:06 pm
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Lisa Buchman (Editor) June 17, 2013 at 02:43 pm
What are folks hearing about tomorrow's vote? Will there be a good turnout at the polls?
Briarcliff PTA Executive Board June 18, 2013 at 10:02 am
We are hoping for a great turnout today. Briarcliff school district residents, please urge yourRead More neighbors and friends to get out and vote!
Lisa Buchman (Editor) June 17, 2013 at 03:04 pm
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W Obermeyer June 11, 2013 at 02:29 pm
I am afraid we may be experiencing the calm before another storm. Most likely the aftermath of theRead More BOE budget hearing tonight will be more of a nightmare than a pleasant dream.
Lisa Jenner June 11, 2013 at 02:36 pm
I am afraid that when people become civilized, they become silent.
Lisa Buchman (Editor) June 12, 2013 at 11:42 am
Thanks for putting yourself out there, Lisa! I hope others can contribute meaningfully to anyRead More discussion of community issues brought forth by thoughtful readers like you.
Brandon June 12, 2013 at 09:36 am
This is brilliant!
Mae Isaac June 12, 2013 at 09:49 am
This would be wonderful - I dread trying to drive to any of the schools that way. What about a leftRead More turn lane on to Pleasantville Road from 100 for school days? It might help those of us who live so close and yet have to drive in the opposite directions to reach the schools!
Tim June 14, 2013 at 07:53 am
Great idea in the mean time while we wait another 10 years maybe drivers could keep to the left whenRead More turning left, instead of blocking peeps trying to turn right. Also drivers need to stop blocking the entrance to Dunkin donuts etc.
Mickey Rivers June 11, 2013 at 09:52 am
Mr. O'Reilly is asking good questions in his post. I respect him for his approach. These areRead More difficult questions and as school districts continue to be squeezed at both ends (spiraling cost of benefit and pension costs at one end and tax-cap compliance choking the revenue side at other end) they will all continue be faced with these difficult questions. If school districts wait too long to develop reasonable decision trees to solve these issues, then our meddling friends in Albany will feel compelled to swoop in and screw it up royally. It is in our collective best interests to begin work now to develop and apply a thought process and resolution matrix to this issue before Albany does it for us. That requires two things. First, communities must put aside their differences and work together in a "non-partisan" manner toward local solutions that work for their district. Next, districts must collaborate and share ideas in an effort to share their ideas and help each other. At the moment, no one has the answers to Mr. O'Reilly's questions. I respect him for asking these questions and not offering solutions or opinions in his post. I also respect him for not calling out any particular district as we all all know these are issues that all districts faced this year universally. This issue will begin to compound annually if we all don't find a way to pull together and work towards solutions.
Lisa Jenner June 11, 2013 at 10:26 am
As a retired school teacher who is collecting a pension (to which I contributed for many years) andRead More is still using benefits (to which I contribute), let's remember that it is not only the teachers' pension and benefits that are squeezing the school budgets, but also, as the Briarcliff BOE pointed out, all those unfunded mandates. All of the BOEs have their hands tied regarding so many of their expenditures, that they will have to cut programs. Excellent questions, Mr. O'Reilly.
Mickey Rivers June 11, 2013 at 03:30 pm
Unfunded mandates are also a big issue for school districts. However, the teachers pensions andRead More benefits are a huge issue that must be addressed and recalibrated. It is time for teacher's pensions and benefits to be remodeled to look like those in the private sector. In the private sector, pensions are all but extinct - replaced largely by 401(k) plans (and in the case of teachers 403(b) plans where contributions are made by the employee. In terms of health benefits, in the private sector most companies pay a maximum of 60% of an employee's health care (and other benefits) premiums - not the 80% that is paid by school districts for teachers. This is financially unsustainable and needs to be addressed before it bankrupts school districts.
robin June 11, 2013 at 10:52 am
Mr. Borrel-Sorry if I came across as confrontational, that was not my intention. You should handleRead More your concerns as you think is best, however, I don't know what you will accomplish voicing your opinion in the Patch. It should also be noted, according to several high school teachers, that there are students who bring budget discussions into the classrooms.
Jay Borrel June 11, 2013 at 11:29 am
Thank you for your comments. I am sure that students do discuss, but the educator should addressRead More from a neutral stand point, just like an open discussion about religion or other politics.
Lisa Jenner June 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm
As a former high school teacher, I was constantly fending off attempts by students to divert me fromRead More teaching, and current events, local or otherwise, were a popular means to this end. Having said that, I, too, have heard of teachers "pontificating" about the budget, which, of course, is totally inappropriate. Let's hope the teachers in Briarcliff do know better and that the administration keeps a watchful eye. On a totally different topic, I have to laugh, Robin, at you looking in the directory for Mr. Borrel. The directory is my first resource for all people Briarcliff, forgetting they might not have children in the schools.
JanFisher June 8, 2013 at 10:05 pm
This is truly progress. Will both of you be taking down your negative comments now to really andRead More meaningfully get the ball rolling and to move beyond mere words? It will be good work when it is backed by real actions. I have not posted anything negative this entire time so really nothing has been accomplished yet except promises to behave. But I am truly glad that both of you are now committed to a standard of decency in public exchanges. Have a great weekend!
Lisa Jenner June 8, 2013 at 11:41 pm
I have read and re-read Mr. O'Reilly's thoughts on the BOE meeting and I will try to be fair aboutRead More this. I will admit that Mr. O'Reilly used some choice adjectives (strange, mysterious, nefarious) and asked a couple of somewhat inflammatory rhetorical questions (Will Mr. Wasserman serve his BOE time on the baseball diamond?), but I would suggest that if you disregard the rhetoric, he has presented a fairly factual presentation of what transpired at the meeting. Do you disagree?
JanFisher June 9, 2013 at 05:54 am
Lisa - my decision to write at all was out of excitement about the opportunity to help infuseRead More decency into these public exchanges. I have had my say and it has been positive. Quite honestly, I think the community at-large and the Briarcliff community are really tired of all of the public infighting on the Patch. I am committed to our schools and children and I choose to use my very limited free time and energy to volunteer for the schools when I can. Again, I do have many opinions and would love to speak with you in person- maybe we can do some good together. My cell - 439-0203.